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It doesn't matter if you support the war or not, this was a great day for our Armed Forces. Way to go guys!
weather you support the war or not, (just clarifing)
While I too am glad the man is dead, I think the bloodlust illustrated by the comments on this thread is a little disturbing. Keep in mind that the way many of you are reacting to this news item is the way many people reacted to 9/11.
From USA Today:
Bush, who has expressed regret for making statements such as daring terrorists to "bring it on," took a more subdued approach to Zarqawi's death. So did members of his staff.
"Does this mean that happy days are here again?" White House spokesman Tony Snow asked. "Of course not."
Snow said that while there could be "very positive ramifications," there may also be an upsurge in violence by terrorists who want to prove they haven't been intimidated by Zarqawi's death.
"I don't want people to get giddy about this, or euphoric," Snow said. "It is still a war, and there are still going to be tough days."
The excitment should not be disturbing. It's excitement over the fact that we are that much closer to getting our guys out of there. It is both a morral booster to the troops there and the american public, who wish very much for more such take down's of the terriorist that we are fighting against.
Southpaw...there is ABSOLUTELY NO SIMILARITY between being glad and cheering that the most despicable human piece of trash on this earth is dead and being glad and cheering when thousands of innocent people are murdered in cold blood!!! To even try to draw a comparison is very telling of the liberal mindset, not that I'm surprised one bit!
CT, there IS a similarity. Not a moral one, but an emotional one. I am not talking about wheter it was right or wrong for people to cheer 9/11- the fact is they did, with the same zeal that you are doing now.
It's not a liberal mindset, it's an intellectual one.
Southpaw...I'm sorry but you are WRONG big time on this one! THERE IS NO SIMILARITY! To even sugget there is one is extremely sad and is in no way intellectual.
Being glad a murderous thug is dead and can no longer kill innocent human beings at will is a very normal and acceptable human reaction.
Cheering and being glad that innocent moms and dads who were just going to work were murdered by radical thugs is sick and despicable.
Yesterday as I was celebrating Zarqawi's death I was thinking about how to explain it.
Southpaw:
I will not apologize for being ecstatic about his death. This man is responsible for the an astounding number of gruesome deaths and justice has indeed been served. There is absolutely no comparison between us and those who celebrated the death of INNOCENT men and women on 9/11. Zarqawi is a monster. I listened and watched Nick Berg's beheading on the internet. His screams are the most horrific I have ever heard in my entire life. Zarqawi didn't cut his head of like a Samurai would w/a sharp sword in one fell swoop. He slowly cut off his head with a dull blade. Does it get any more gruesome than that?
I will celebrate and make no apologies. A very evil man is dead and because he's dead many innocent lives will be spared and the terrorists will have lost a leader who inspires them to do evil. It was a great day yesterday and I don't have to be restrained in my joy like W does.
My first thought was, yes!!!!!!!!!!!
Cajun Tiger: "The most despicable human piece of trash on this earth is dead..."
Wait, so they got Osama too?
Like Southpaw (and Tony Snow, apparently), I am concerned that too much celebration over al-Zarqawi's death will counteract the damage done to the terrorist cause. We shouldn't be saying, "Your guy's dead! In your FACE, al-Qaida!" Such actions only embolden the enemy. It's time to readjust our strategies and focus on what objectives must be accomplished now. I don't think that's a lot to ask.
Ian...that is a valid point and I don't think the comments on the site were over the top. However Southpaw's comparison is extremely over the top and completely ridiculous.
As far as bin Laden...nearly every person I heard on TV yesterday said and I agree that Zarqawi was worse than bin Laden, so I stand by that statement.
CT, you have on the front page of your blog people celebrating the 9/11 attacks.
Once again, try to understand what I am saying: The REACTIONS are identical, regardless over what they are ABOUT. Not right or wrong, not moral or immoral.
We are Americans. We believe in justice. This was justice. But even when justice is done, if we do not maintain a perspective that above all else that life is sacred, are we morally superior to those trying to destroy us?
Do not become what you detest.
Southpaw...you are right...I have them on my front page for the purpose to show who and what we are up against, so that we never forget who attacked us and killed INNOCENT people and then had the gall to cheer about it.
There is a differnce in the reaction. There are right and wrong reactions. There are moral reactions and immoral reactions.
Life is sacred (funny hearing that from a lib though, assuming you support abortion and assisted suicide), but you are responsible for your actions. You lose your right to life the second you willfully take someone else's life, much more when you brutally and maliciously take 1000s of lives.
To be clear:
I do not support abortions, I support a woman's right to choose.
I am firmly against assisted suicide.
I'm so sick of the libs saying, "I do not support abortion but I support a woman's right to choose an abortion."
That makes no sense at all.
It is the same as saying, "I don't support murder, but a support a murderer's right to choose to kill."
Or "I don't support stealing, but I support a thief's right to choose to steal."
Either abortion is wrong in all cases or isn't. You can't have it both ways.
It does make sense.
I personally may be against abortions, or maybe I'm not. But I will not foist my morals upon another person who has a legal right to an abortion.
Know what I'm sick of? Tens of thousands of innocent Iraqi citizens dying. People who think the war in Iraq is about freedom when they know damn well that they supported the war in the beginning because they believed there were WMDs. A Republican congress that cuts funding for education, when the average american high school graduate isn't qualified to work at a company like GM or Microsfot.
I'm sick of lots of things.
Killing is against the law.
Stealing is against the law.
Abortions are not against the law.
Like Nick said...HELL YEAH!!!!!!
Bin Laden...YOUR NEXT!!!
USA!USA!USA!USA!USA!USA!USA!USA!
How sad that left and right can't celebrate together the death of someone who was very activly killing americans and Iraqi's on a daily basis. South paw, I hate to say it, and maybe your proud to be so hard line Democrat, but you are sounding like someone who would not even be happy if this administration got Bin Ladin. You sound very much like it's sour grapes to you because it was on Bush's watch. I know many on the right would act the same if the tables were turned. I hope I would not but I just think it's sad that you would come to your friends blog and be the opposer to the celebrating of an american war victory such as this. It's not Bin Ladin but it is one for us and it does serve to encourge the troops and american public.
Featherion-
what part of "I too am glad the man is dead" do you not understand???
Just because I am glad to see the man dead does not mean I feel the need to "celebrate" it. Pardon me if I have a different perspective on death and war.
Sour grapes? After reading my posts, you think I place politics ahead of human life?
As for "encouraging the American Public," CNN.com reports that close to 65% of Americans believe that this recent death will do nothing to slow the insurgency.
For the record, CT is not my friend. We've never met. Maybe we will one day, but until then, we remain two bloggers who get a kick out of the information superhighway!
Southpaw...
Let's take these "sick" concerns of yours one post at a time.
1) "tens of thousands of innocent Iraqi citizens dying"
And why were they dying??? Because of the murderous thug we killed. He and his ilk were the main ones targeting the Iraqi civilians in order to try and start a civil war, so I promise they are very few people here who are not cheering the fact that he is dead.
And is it any wonder why a majority of people (though I highly doubt the balance of that poll) believe his death would not slow the insurgency (which by the way is the wrong word any way being Zarqawi was not an insurgent, he was a terrorist, to be an insurgent you actually have to be from the country and he wasn't) when you have papers like the Wash Post pasting headlines like "After Zarqawi, No Clear Path in Weary Iraq" or "Difficult Questions Surround Legacy of Insurgent Leader."
We are getting tons of actionable intelligence from the safe house that already has and will continue to further destroy their leadership here.
2) "People who think the war in Iraq is about freedom when they know damn well that they supported the war in the beginning because they believed there were WMDs."
First off, WMDs were never the only reason I agreed that we should go to war with Iraq, but being you bring them up.
a) On June 23, 2004, US forces seized 1.77 metric tons of enriched uranium in a nuclear facility in Iraq, according to BBC News. Also removed were 1000 radioactive materials in powdered form.
b) Polish military officials found 17 chemical warheads that were buried underground in the countryside of Iraq containing cyclosarin, a nerve agent five times more powerful than sarin.
c) On Aug 8, 2005, soldiers stormed a warehouse in Mosul and found 1500 gallons of chemical agents.
d) In May 2004 a roadside bomb that thankfully didn't work properly contained mustard gas.
Need I go on?
Let's also not forget that EVERY single intelligence agency in the world believed he had them. The UN believed he had them. President Clinton, VP Gore, Sen Kerry, Sen Clinton...believed he had them. Every weapons inspector believed he had them. Saddam's military leaders believed he had them. So I love that it is only Pres Bush who is called a "liar."
The intelligence so far has been wrong on the amount of weapons Saddam had, but make no mistake that he had them, was trying to get more, and if given the opportunity would have used them.
Credit to the book "Disinformation - 22 Media Myths That Undermine the War on Terror" for the specific WMD details listed in this post. If you haven't read it, it is a must read.
3) A Republican congress that cuts funding for education, when the average american high school graduate isn't qualified to work at a company like GM or Microsfot.
How much money do we need to spend to get it right?
We are currently spending $10,000 on average and in some places over $30,000 a year per student for public "education." More money is not the answer. The answer is getting the government out of education. Allowing parents the option to choose where they want their student to attend school is the answer. Competition will force schools to either perform or shut down.
However, all libs want to do is continue to throw more and more money at a system that is so obviously flawed.
And finally, abortion. So Southpaw, I assume being you are against abortions, you support efforts to make it illegal...wait...no you don't...you don't want to "force" your morals on others.
Good thing that isn't how most laws work. If we are not allowed to "force" our morals on anyone else, then why are we allowed to tell someone they can't kill or steal? According to their moral code, they may feel that is ok.
Let me answer the question for you. The reason we do "force" our morals on others is because there are common sense morals and human decency that everyone should accept. We all accept that murder is wrong. We all accept stealing is wrong. We should all accept that killing an innocent baby is wrong as you claim you do, however this immoral action is legal due to a very poorly decided case.
If you truly felt it was wrong morally, you would fight tooth and nail as I do, to make it illegal. Murder is murder regardless of the age of the victim.
CT, you conveniently left out the part that before the US got there, it was not as if Zarqawi was running around killing innocent Iraqis.
Hussein in captivity, insurgency continues. Hussein's son dead, insurgency continues. The military cpatures what appears to be 375 different "#2 man in Al Qaida", the insurgency continues. So don't be fooled- this most recent turn of events will have little, if any, impact on the fighting in Iraq.
You went to a state run college that receives millions of dollars in federal aid. My guess is that you did not seem to mind the fact that the government was responsible for the maintenence of your university when you were getting an education for a great price.
And if you want to see what happens when a group of people foist their morals upon others, and are not tolerant of compromise, look up a 1984 murder in Utah committed by the Lafferty brothers. It's quite an interesting case.
Southpaw...the reason he wasn't running around killing Shia and Kurds was b/c Saddam was doing it for him. He could concentrate on training other al Qaeda in Iraq (yes, he was in Iraq before 9-11) to carry out attacks outside Iraq. I love how libs paint Iraq as a paradise for all before the evil US arrived.
Saying the death of this monster will have no effect is absurd. It would be the same as saying the death of Gen. Casey would in no way effect the morale of our troops. Granted a new guy will rise up to take his place, but it will take time and in the interim, we are taking advantage of the weakness.
Were it not for artifically inflated government prices I would have gotten an education for a lot cheaper at LSU.
That is an insane comparison. Since when is it a common sense moral to kill a mother and daughter b/c they don't believe in pologomy? You will have to do better than that.
The main question is: do you believe abortion is murder? If you don't, then why are you opposed to it? If you do, then how can you ever justify it?
A message to LMC (thank you, CT, for allowing me to use this space to communicate with her)-
You will debate me on the issues HERE, but not your own blog?
Kind of cowardly, don't you think?
Southpaw...what LMC decides to do on her site is completely up to her...if she doesn't want to debate on her site but decides to participate in a debate on mine, that is her choice...name calling is not necessary and will not be allowed on here in the future.
apologees if you feel that way CT, but there was no name calling.
I was using an adjective to describe how I interpret her actions, not a noun to describe her.
your point is made, though.
Thanks Southpaw.
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